An Interview With Tim Ballard and Jim Caviezel

An Interview With Tim Ballard and Jim Caviezel
Jim Caviezel (L), actor in the new human trafficking action film "Sound of Freedom," and Tim Ballard (R), a former Department of Homeland Security special agent and founder of Operation Underground Railroad. Madalina Vasiliu/The Epoch Times
Jan Jekielek
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“This country needs to be the solution. Instead, we are the problem. Right now, we’re a source of the corruption that is enslaving children,” says Tim Ballard.

In a recent episode of “American Thought Leaders,” Jan Jekielek spoke with actor Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard, a former Department of Homeland Security special agent and the founder of Operation Underground Railroad. Mr. Caviezel plays Ballard in the new Angel Studios action drama film “Sound of Freedom,” which sheds light on the dark realities of sex trafficking and children.

Jan Jekielek: I’ve watched the film “Sound of Freedom” twice now. Tim, I couldn’t believe that you lived this story. It’s so engaging, and it’s a chance to raise awareness about something that is very difficult to talk about—child trafficking. Jim, you play Tim Ballard in the movie. Please tell me about playing this role.
Jim Caviezel: Tim Ballard is a former Homeland Security agent fighting an uphill battle. He’s getting these traffickers, but he can’t save the kids. God answers his prayers when he takes down one of the worst traffickers and pedophiles that they had seen at the border. Then a little boy asks him, “Will you save my sister?” So Tim talks to his wife, and she says, “Go and do what you’re supposed to do.” He had a purpose. Tim gets it, and he sells everything to go and find this little girl. Scripture says, “No greater love have you than to lay your life down for your brother or your sister.” And he lays it down for this child.
Mr. Jekielek: Tim, in the film there’s this pendant that Miguel, the little boy you rescued, gives to you, which his sister had given to him. It creates this wonderful continuity throughout the film. Was this real?
Tim Ballard: You’re the first person who has asked me this question, and it’s important. I begged the writers not to include that piece, not because it wasn’t true, but because it is true. I thought no one would believe it, that no one would believe this little boy kicked off my whole life mission.

But after that experience, I couldn’t do anything else. I had to interview him for several days to find out what’s going on. Where’s your sister? Where are the other people? He gave me this pendant on a necklace that his sister had given him. It was like a rosary.

I said, “Why do I want this?” He didn’t really tell me why. It was almost like he was inspired. A few days later, when I had it in my office, my son saw it. This boy was about 5 years old, and my son was a few years older.

He said, “Dad, where did you get this?” I said, “It’s from this little boy we rescued.” He asked: “How did he know your name? That’s so cool that he put your name on the necklace.”

I said, “No, my name’s not on the necklace.” I flipped it around and there it was, 1 Timothy 6:11, which is a beautiful scripture. From my head to my toes, I just felt invigorated and enlightened, like, “Oh my gosh.”

People say it was a coincidence. For me, it wasn’t. It was real. I started wearing that necklace throughout the entire mission and every other mission that I ever did. So thank you for asking. Everybody assumes it was poetic license in the movie, but it’s real, and it played a huge part in my decision.

Mr. Jekielek: You credit your wife with having inspired this and agreeing to it. Then there’s this sign that you need to do it. This is how you’re going to find redemption from everything you’ve suffered from watching all the videos of child trafficking and pornography, and prosecuting these people. Tell me, Jim, am I reading this right?
Mr. Caviezel: That scripture, 1 Timothy, which is Timotheo in Spanish, is a symbol of faith. God uses little symbols like this to speak to us.

This film has a lot of tough things. But what burns is Tim’s love for humanity. God gave him that direction at the expense of his own life. That goes right to scripture with the great saints like St. Paul or John the Baptist. They were fearless, because they trusted God. What is greater than fearless love?

Mr. Jekielek: How do you do this work, Tim? How do you watch these videos about children? There’s this scene in the film where you’re typing about a video you’ve found, and thinking about having to do that is difficult, even for us in the audience who don’t see the video.
Mr. Ballard: How do I do this? To answer that, first I’ll say there’s a reason I insisted that Jim Caviezel play me. I didn’t know Jim, but he was my favorite actor. Why was he my favorite actor? Because of “The Passion of the Christ” and “The Count of Monte Cristo,” my favorite movies.

But I didn’t trust Hollywood. After this operation made the news, we started getting hit up by these studios. We just said, “No.” I’m actually in this business in part because of Hollywood. Hollywood creates the content that creates the sex addiction, that creates the demand, and that creates human trafficking. The link is there. But when this current production studio came to me, it turns out they maybe were not Hollywood.

I said, “Jim Caviezel has to play me.”

They said: “He doesn’t look like you. The guy has to look like you.” Because there’s this thing at the end, where they do this transformation that was in the script from the beginning where they show real footage.

I said: “No, he doesn’t. He has to feel like me. He’s the only actor I know that loves Jesus, and that’s also important to me.” And that’s how I do this. It’s because I’m a person of faith. There is one scripture that loudly speaks to me. Jesus says, “It’s better that a millstone be wrapped around your neck and have you cast to the bottom of the sea, than you should hurt one of these little children.”

That’s what makes it so I can do the things depicted in that film. I’m scared, and I’m as human as anybody, but I know where heaven stands on this issue, because Jesus made it very clear.

Jim didn’t know that line of scripture is my go-to. I can go in with courage because Jesus has my back, and the angels of God have my back.

That’s how I do what I do. That’s why I do what I do.

Mr. Jekielek: It gives you the strength to watch this stuff and document it, and then go deep cover and pretend to be a pedophile to get some of these people. Being able to do that is difficult to imagine.
Mr. Ballard: It was hard for Jim, too. It took him two years to recover from this role. I know, because I watched him suffer. Maybe I’m the only person that could recognize it, because I suffer in the same way.
Mr. Caviezel: And I don’t know how Tim did it. As much as it hurts you inside to come off something like this, to be able to climb Mount Everest and find just a chip of love, it’s worth it. I get films, and I don’t get the easy ones. This one definitely wasn’t easy. But it’s OK when it requires everything of me. I will stand up for good and truth, because love always is there. If I have that, then I’m the best I ever was. That’s what I loved about this whole project.

People are going to feel that reverberation when they go to the theater. It’s a dark film. But if it wasn’t for Tim, those children never would have made it. It’s a great role to play, and that’s a battle I’m willing to fight any day.

Mr. Jekielek: This has been a very difficult film in a lot of ways. With these characters, the brother and sister, it’s also an incredibly powerful story. You think, “Wow, this is unbelievable. I can’t believe this actually happened.”
Mr. Ballard: It’s a true story. Absolutely. Every character is real. Every bad guy is real.

My favorite part was at the end where they showed all the good guys, the bad guys, and the kids, and where they are today. All those kids they rescued at the island, we know where they are.

Some of them now work for us. Some of them, as young adults, have actually rescued people from human trafficking. It’s the most amazing story.

And all the bad guys are real, like Bill Camp’s character, Vampiro. He’s a real guy with a real story. The story he tells in the movie about being converted from molesting children is an Academy Award-winning scene, and Jim’s response is probably the most brilliant acting ever. He didn’t say one word, just used his eyes at the end of that scene. Jim speaks 10,000 words through his eyes without saying a word.

Mr. Jekielek: There’s some actual footage from a real operation at the end, correct?
Mr. Ballard: Yes. We filmed that operation. There’s going to be a documentary called “Triple Take” coming after “Sound of Freedom” that tells that story. So yes, it’s all real. Of course, liberties were taken. Certain action scenes went beyond what really happened.

It’s important to know that, because I’m tired of people saying that human trafficking must be false, that it can’t be real. It’s the left doing this. They want to discredit human trafficking and pedophilia, because they have an agenda to normalize pedophilia.

The U.N. just stated that it’s time to start decriminalizing sex with children. The same groups that are trying to discredit me and destroy my reputation are also peddling this agenda of not calling them pedophiles, that pedophile is a derogatory term. Hell yeah, it’s derogatory, and it’s supposed to be. It’s a red flag statement.

Now, they want to call them minor-attracted persons. You’ve heard this, it’s called MAP. It’s insane what is happening with the sexualization of our kids and what’s happening at the border with child trafficking. There is spiritual warfare going on right now, and children are in the crosshairs.

So I hope this film opens people’s minds to the danger our children are in.

Mr. Jekielek: What do you think about that?
Mr. Caviezel: The film is very powerful because it shows you how child abduction and trafficking occurs routinely, but it also helps you to know what the warning signs are. A mother and a father have to guard their children and protect them. Sticking your head in the sand is not protecting your children.

This movie is a huge weapon against evil, and some people don’t like it. Too bad. If you tell a lie over and over again, it becomes real. For example, with the Hunter Biden laptop they said, “It’s not true,” and we believed that. For two years, they said it over and over again. But now, it turns out it is true. That was two years of lying. Before the Durham report dropped, for seven years, we had a Russian agent, Donald Trump. Now, we don’t anymore, but that’s seven years of lying.

The public isn’t buying it anymore. They’re looking at the media and saying: “No, you’re as wicked as those traffickers. You are as wicked as those pedophiles, and this is why you’re running cover for them.” The public is putting it all together. There’s going to be a point where those people won’t be able to walk down the street ever again.

Mr. Jekielek: During the Washington premiere, you said that the United States is the biggest market and biggest consumer for child sex trafficking. In the film, it says it’s one of the biggest markets. How do you measure that, and how can that be possible?
Mr. Ballard: Let me break it down. There are more people enslaved today than ever before. $150 billion a year are made off the backs of men, women, and child slaves, 27 million of them throughout the world, from slave labor, organ harvesting, and sex slavery. Six million of those are children. It’s estimated that 2 million are specifically designated for the commercial sex trade.

Often, people in the United States have looked at those numbers and said: “No, that’s far, far away. That’s in Africa and India, and maybe South America. That’s not here.” They’re wrong. The United States is No. 3 for destination countries for human trafficking, and No. 1 for consumption of child rape videos. We are now approaching No. 1 in production of child exploitation material.

If we don’t understand that, then we’ll never understand why things are happening in this country that make no sense. Why were there over 85,000 unaccompanied minors showing up in the last two years at the southern border, who were then delivered to sponsors with no background check and no DNA testing? Thousands were under 5 years old.

It’s also born here in this country. Some people want to get rid of the term pedophile, and call it a minor-attracted person. They want to give children pornography in 3rd grade, calling it sex education. They want to let 14-year-old girls consent to mastectomies and injections with hormone blockers that can destroy their reproductive systems.

Why is that relevant? Because it’s one more step to giving consent. If you give that much power of consent at age 14, you’ve already sexualized that person. Suppose they then say: “I identify as a 30-year-old, and I want to have sex with that 40-year-old pedophile. You can’t stop me anymore, because you’ve eliminated all the godly, scientific, moral virtues this nation was based upon. Mom and Dad, you washed them away, and you got lots of social media hits because of it. You got awards because of it, but now you can’t stop the pedophiles.”

The pedophile agenda has been pushed for decades, all the things that pedophiles have wanted, sexualizing kids and giving kids the right to consent. These are the platforms that the organized pedophile groups have been peddling, and the “woke” left is now implementing them.

This has never happened in the history of this country. If you believe in a just God, you need to stand up right now, those who believe, and those who understand. Hopefully, this film will bring light and soften hearts.

Mr. Jekielek: You did it as tastefully as you possibly could with this issue.
Mr. Caviezel: It’s Alfred Hitchcock-style, but it still creeps you out, because it’s fired on the edge.

This is a dark time to be an American, because we really don’t have a country now. A country has to be a sovereign nation with borders, and we don’t have a southern border anymore.

That is part of the fabric of our country right now. I’ve talked to a lot of people, and there’s no exact word to describe it—they’re just pissed off about the culture. They’re talking about our children, CRT, and all these things. With everything from Target to Bud Light, people are tired of it and they’re angry. Then, out of nowhere, comes this light called “Sound of Freedom,” and it represents what they believe in, which is one nation, under God, indivisible.

Everybody has to decide, and actors have to decide. Do you want to put your hand up and work for the fear? Or are you going to stand up for our country and follow the righteousness of our forefathers in creating this republic? They believed that life comes before liberty, and life comes before happiness. Because without your life, you have no liberty. Without your life, you have no happiness.

Mr. Jekielek: I’m reminding everybody that this film is incredibly powerful on this issue. It’s also a compelling story, and totally engaging, so congratulations. Any final thoughts?
Mr. Ballard: I had to separate myself from the U.S. government in order to rescue children. No one should have to say that. We are supposed to liberate the captive. The legacy, the culture, and the mandate of this country have always been to liberate the captive.

I never should have had to separate myself to do what we did. This country needs to be the solution. Instead, we are the problem. Right now, we’re a source of the corruption that is enslaving children. The solution must come from this country. I believe in the silent majority and that this film will bring them out.

It’s not even about the story, and it’s certainly not about me. It’s about those children. People will recognize it’s about our children in this country. Even the ones that seem safe at home, they’re not really safe. They’re not really safe in public schools. They are being groomed, and they’re being readied for pedophilia. I promise you that is happening. I hope this film will wake people up.

Here’s the shirt that Angel Studios gave me. It reads, “God’s Children Are Not For Sale.” That’s our tagline. It’s the most important line Jim says in the film.

Mr. Jekielek: It’s the song at the end as well.
Mr. Ballard: Correct. Every time the children sing in the film, they sing, “God’s children are not for sale.”
Mr. Jekielek: Any final thoughts, Jim?
Mr. Caviezel: Can we love God’s children more than we fear evil?
This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity. 
Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times, host of the show “American Thought Leaders.” Jan’s career has spanned academia, international human rights work, and now for almost two decades, media. He has interviewed nearly a thousand thought leaders on camera, and specializes in long-form discussions challenging the grand narratives of our time. He’s also an award-winning documentary filmmaker, producing “The Unseen Crisis,” “DeSantis: Florida vs. Lockdowns,” and “Finding Manny.”
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