6 Takeaways from Trump’s First Oval Office Interview

California fires, J6 pardons, TikTok, sanctuary cities, J13, and declassifying JFK records all came up during his conversation with Fox’s Sean Hannity.
6 Takeaways from Trump’s First Oval Office Interview
Then-Republican presidential nominee and former President Donald Trump talks with Fox News host Sean Hannity in the spin room, after Trump debated Democratic presidential nominee and Vice President Kamala Harris, at The National Constitution Center in Philadelphia on Sept. 10, 2024. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
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President Donald Trump granted Fox News host Sean Hannity the first Oval Office interview of his second presidency.

The historic conversation ranged widely, covering his pardons for defendants in cases related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol breach, the wildfires burning through Los Angeles, his fast action on the border, and the declassification of records relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, among other topics.

While discussing former President Joe Biden’s preemptive pardons, granted to Dr. Anthony Fauci and many others, Trump noted they did not include Sen. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), nor the former president himself.

Here are some takeaways from the first half of the interview, which aired on Jan. 22. The second half will be aired on Jan. 23.

Trump Reiterates Pledge to Declassify JFK, RFK, and MLK Shooting Records

Speaking just two days after his inauguration, Trump told Hannity he still plans to release classified government records concerning the assassinations of Kennedy; his brother, Robert F. Kennedy; and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

“We’re looking at it right now,” he said. “We’re going to release them immediately.”

The three killings in the 1960s sparked theories of involvement from the U.S. government, foreign governments, organized crime, and other actors. Proponents of declassification hope the new information will shed more light on what happened.

In August 2024, a month after an assassin nearly killed him in Butler, Pennsylvania, Trump said he would create a presidential commission to oversee the release of the JFK files.

He said that during his first term, government officials including then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo advised him not to release all of the JFK files.

“[Pompeo] felt it was just not a good time to release them. You might ask him why,” Trump told Hannity.

Trump Says Funding for California Should Hinge on Water Management

The president also addressed the recent devastating fires in Southern California.

“It’s like a nuclear weapon went off, what’s happened to Los Angeles,” he said. “A lot of money is going to be necessary for Los Angeles.”

The president suggested that the needs of deep-red western North Carolina, still recovering from Hurricane Helene, could be balanced with those of bright-blue Los Angeles in highly partisan congressional budget fights. Lawmakers have until March 14 to make a deal to continue funding the federal government.

Trump said California and its governor, Gavin Newsom, could manage its water resources more effectively, criticizing the prioritizing of certain environmental protection policies for endangered fish over ensuring enough water for state residents. A Jan. 20 White House memorandum calls on the secretary of the interior and other agencies to redirect water from Northern California to other parts of the state.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks with Fox News host Sean Hannity shortly after the GOP debates at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., on Sept. 27, 2023. (John Fredricks/The Epoch Times)
California Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks with Fox News host Sean Hannity shortly after the GOP debates at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., on Sept. 27, 2023. John Fredricks/The Epoch Times

The president told Hannity that federal money for the state should hinge on changes to its water management practices. He added that the media do not like to highlight the outflow of significant volumes of water from the Rockies into the Pacific Ocean, a practice some environmental experts defend as necessary for the maintenance of the Sacramento–San Joaquin Delta.

“The press never wants to put it on,” he said.

Trump Talks Border and Sanctuary Cities

Trump’s first days in office have been marked by rapid changes on the border, including through day one executive orders. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids on his first full day in office led to the arrest of 308 illegal aliens, and on Jan. 22, the president ordered 1,500 troops to deploy to the southern border.

“This was a gross miscarriage of common sense, to allow people to come in,” Trump said of the volume of illegal border-crossings under Biden, who in 2020 ran against Trump’s policies that encourage legal immigration.

The president spoke about his border and immigration moves with Hannity, describing how his administration might tackle sanctuary jurisdictions, which do not fully cooperate with federal immigration authorities. One such jurisdiction is the entire state of California, where one community in Orange County, Huntington Beach, has just declared itself a “non-sanctuary city.”

U.S. Border Patrol agents monitor illegal border crossings in Jacumba, Calif., on Jan. 10, 2024. (John Fredricks/The Epoch Times)
U.S. Border Patrol agents monitor illegal border crossings in Jacumba, Calif., on Jan. 10, 2024. John Fredricks/The Epoch Times

“Would you cut off their money?” Hannity asked of sanctuary cities and states.

“I might have to do that. Sometimes that’s the only thing you can do,” Trump replied.

He also said it was easy to identify some illegal immigrants who “could be trouble.”

“There are people coming in with tattoos all over their face,” he said. “Typically, you know he’s not going to be the head of the local bank.”

Trump Thinks TikTok Will Be Purchased

The president also spoke about TikTok.
On his first day in office, Trump paused enforcement of a divest-or-ban law against the app via executive order, giving it roughly 2 1/2 months to separate from its China-based parent company, ByteDance, which can be compelled to cooperate with the Chinese communist regime.

“People want to buy it,” Trump told Hannity.

The TikTok logos on screens in Hong Kong on Jan. 18, 2025. (Anthony Kwan/Getty Images)
The TikTok logos on screens in Hong Kong on Jan. 18, 2025. Anthony Kwan/Getty Images

He attributed his strong performance with many young voters to his presence on the app. He launched his TikTok profile in June 2024 despite concerns from many Republicans and Democrats over the influence of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) over the app’s owners.

Some claim to know that TikTok is a spying app for the Chinese regime, Hannity said.

“You can say that about everything made in China,” Trump responded. “Is it that important for China to be spying on young people, on young kids watching crazy videos?”

Meanwhile, American, Canadian, and Australian experts have warned that the CCP considers TikTok a tool to reach young people with its propaganda as part of a long-term strategy to shape future Western leaders.
In 2023, amid debates about the app’s risks, then-Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), who was chairman of the Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, warned that the CCP will likely use TikTok as a powerful tool in its effort to wage “cognitive warfare” against the United States.

Trump Defends Large-Scale J6 Pardons

Trump and Hannity also spoke about his roughly 1,500 pardons and 14 commutations for those convicted of offenses in connection with the U.S. Capitol breach on Jan. 6, 2021.

While discussing Biden’s preemptive pardons, Trump said he declined sweeping preemptive pardons at the time he left office.

“I said: ‘I’m not going to pardon anybody. We didn’t do anything wrong,’” Trump told the cable news host.

“We had people that suffered,” he continued, citing the imprisonment of Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon.

Steve Bannon speaks on night one of the AmericaFest hosted by Turning Point USA in Phoenix on Dec. 19, 2024. (John Fredricks/The Epoch Times)
Steve Bannon speaks on night one of the AmericaFest hosted by Turning Point USA in Phoenix on Dec. 19, 2024. John Fredricks/The Epoch Times
Hannity questioned why Trump pardoned some of those who were convicted of violent offenses against law enforcement on Jan. 6, 2021. Before taking office, Trump and then-Vice President-elect JD Vance said that their focus would be on those facing jail time for nonviolent offenses.

Trump cited the jail and prison time that many of those convicted of violence related to Jan. 6 have already served.

“They were treated like the worst criminals in history,” he said.

He also said many encounters that led to convictions for violent offenses were exaggerated, calling them “very minor incidents” amplified by unfriendly media.

Trump Says Butler Assassination Attempt Strengthened His Faith in God

In addition to Jan. 6, Trump and Hannity covered July 13, 2024—the summer day when an assassin’s bullet nearly ended Trump’s life during a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

“I don’t think you can call it just luck,” Trump told Hannity.

Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump raises his fist shortly after the assassination attempt at a campaign rally, in Butler, Pa., on July 13, 2024. (Evan Vucci/AP Photo)
Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump raises his fist shortly after the assassination attempt at a campaign rally, in Butler, Pa., on July 13, 2024. Evan Vucci/AP Photo

The president said he believed his unlikely survival left a mark on his sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump.

Trump agreed that it has strengthened his faith in God.

“I don’t think I’ve changed, but I think that has taken place,” he said.

Nathan Worcester
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Nathan Worcester covers national politics for The Epoch Times and has also focused on energy and the environment. Nathan has written about everything from fusion energy and ESG to national and international politics. He lives and works in Chicago. Nathan can be reached at [email protected].
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