Mr. Liu: My interpretation has two main points. First, there is significant engagement and collaboration between the Chinese medical industry and the United States. This collaboration has helped the development of the transplantation industry in China, which has involved many doctors who were trained in the U.S. Additionally, the pharmaceutical and medical industry in the U.S. has collaborated extensively with China in this field. The second point is about transparency. Currently, we allow China to deceive us and cover up unethical practices in their healthcare system. We need to hold them accountable and demand transparency. One way to achieve this is through international pressure, such as the banning of Chinese transplantation papers by certain medical journals. By forcing them to be more transparent, we can prevent them from easily covering up incidents like the onset of the coronavirus. The Chinese Communist Party’s cover-up of the Covid-19 outbreak has resulted in the loss of countless lives that could have been saved. Mr. Jekielek: Indeed, these collaborations should have been approached with greater caution and scrutiny. Mr. Liu: Exactly. Why would we believe the Chinese government’s narrative that the virus is not transmitted from person to person? The World Health Organization initially made the same claim. It is important to note that the WHO is also involved in protecting China regarding the issue of forced organ harvesting. All of these issues are interconnected. Mr. Jekielek: Recent reports have emerged regarding forced organ harvesting in Xinjiang province, which essentially amounts to murder for organs. Mr. Liu: That’s the concerning part. If we do not stop the persecution of one group, it will eventually spread to other groups. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” This concept is not just theoretical. For instance, the tactics used against Uyghurs in Xinjiang were developed and tested through the persecution of Falun Gong. Many top officials in Xinjiang who carry out these persecutions were once involved in persecuting Falun Gong practitioners. The same tools, such as torture methods and psychological abuse, were utilized in both cases, as well as the forced renouncement of beliefs. The tactics they developed during the persecution of Falun Gong, they later applied to Uyghurs. They also targeted underground Christians in family churches and house churches. Furthermore, they are now doing the same tactics in Hong Kong. If we give the CCP a free pass, they will simply move on to another group. Each time they do, the threat will become closer to us. For example, if they turn their attention to Taiwan, it will be much closer to us, breaking our first line of defense. This is their strategy. Mr. Jekielek: Could you please tell us about what you do and how you ended up here? Mr. Liu: I am actually just a volunteer. Human rights work is something I do in my free time. My full-time job is as a senior statistician, or what is now commonly referred to as a data scientist. I was born and raised in Liaoning Province, in the northeastern part of China. I attended Tsinghua University in Beijing for college. After graduating in 1995, I came to the United States to pursue my PhD studies at Washington University in St. Louis.

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