Uncertainty Ahead as Trump–Powell Relationship in Wall Street Spotlight

Experts question if a president can fire the Federal Reserve chair.
Uncertainty Ahead as Trump–Powell Relationship in Wall Street Spotlight
Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell holds a press conference in Washington on Sept. 18, 2024. Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images
Andrew Moran
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Wall Street is keeping a close eye on the fractured relationship between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell and President-elect Donald Trump ahead of the central bank chief’s term expiring in two years.

At the post-election policy meeting press conference on Nov. 7, reporters questioned Powell about his future at the central bank now that Trump has secured a second term.

While the Fed chief refrained from commenting—directly or indirectly—about the presidential election results, he said he would serve the remainder of his term, which expires in 2026.

Powell later added that the president does not possess the power to fire or demote the Fed chair.

“[That’s] not permitted under the law,” Powell told reporters.

In November 2017, Trump nominated Powell to head the Federal Reserve, saying that “he’s strong, he’s committed, and he’s smart.”

In his first term, Trump repeatedly criticized Powell on social media for not cutting interest rates faster, writing on X that Powell had “no ‘guts’, no sense, no vision.”

Trump has confirmed that he will not fire Powell, telling Bloomberg this summer that he would allow the Fed chair to serve the remainder of his term.

In recent months, Trump has suggested that presidents should have at least a voice in the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy decisions.

“I think that in my case, I made a lot of money, I was very successful, and I think I have a better instinct than, in many cases, people that would be on the Federal Reserve or the chairman,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago residence in August.

During his Economic Club of Chicago appearance last month, Trump reiterated that the president should have the opportunity to weigh in on interest rate moves.

“I don’t think I should be allowed to order it, but I think I have the right to put in comments as to whether the interest rates should go up or down,” Trump said.

After Fed officials cut interest rates for the first time in more than four years in September, Trump questioned the action during a campaign stop at a Bitcoin bar in New York City.

“I guess it shows the economy is very bad to cut it by that much, assuming they’re not just playing politics,” Trump said to reporters.

“The economy would be very bad, or they’re playing politics, one or the other. But it was a big cut.”

Powell and his colleagues have noted on multiple occasions that the Federal Reserve is an independent agency, free from political intervention.

The central bank maintains a dual mandate of maximum employment and price stability, though the institution has expanded its purview over the years to areas such as banking regulation.

Additionally, there has been discussion as to whether the Fed should consider climate change in the decision-making process.

Powell restated to reporters during the recent post-Federal Open Market Committee meeting that the Fed crafts policy based on what is best for the American people and the economy rather than presidents and Washington lawmakers.

He did, however, note that the near-term effects of the election results will have little impact on the Fed’s outlook.

At the same time, policies implemented by administrations or Congress could produce economic effects over time that might influence the central bank’s dual mandate.

“So, along with countless other factors, forecasts of those economic effects would be included in our models of the economy and would be taken into account through that channel,” Powell stated.

At the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Federal Reserve slashed interest rates to nearly zero; engaged in a buying spree of Treasury securities, mortgage-backed securities, and corporate bonds; and expanded the money supply by more than $6 trillion in a roughly two-year span.

The objective was to cushion the economic blows of the public health crisis.

After the Fed shrugged off potential inflationary effects, referring to price pressures as “transitory,” the monetary authorities launched a quantitative tightening cycle in March 2022—a blend of raising interest rates and trimming its $8 trillion balance sheet—to support the other side of its dual mandate: price stability.

In September, the Fed started to loosen its restrictive policy stance by igniting a supersized half-point rate cut.

It followed up with a quarter-point reduction to the benchmark federal funds rate at the November policy meeting.

But while Wall Street prices in these interest rate cuts over the next two years, traders will likely pay attention to what the future may hold for Jerome Powell.

To Fire or Not to Fire Fed Chair

In March 2020, Trump told reporters at a news conference that he has the right to terminate Powell as Fed chair, though he was reluctant to follow through.

“I’m not happy with the Fed because I think they’re following not leading, and we should be leading,” Trump said.

“I have the right to remove him. No, I’m not doing that,“ he added. ”I also have the right to put him in a regular position and put someone else in charge, and I haven’t made any decisions on that.”

Experts have questioned if Trump can legally remove Powell from his position.

“Fire Powell from which position?” asked Peter Conti-Brown, a nonresident fellow in Economic Studies at the Brookings Institute, in 2019.

Powell holds three jobs: chair of the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee, member of the Board of Governors, and chair of the Board of Governors.

Statutes surrounding this issue are unclear. According to Conti-Brown, “We just don’t know: it’s legally uncertain.”

The last time there was such a fractured relationship between the White House and the Federal Reserve was in 1965.

Then-Fed Chair William McChesney Martin Jr. was convinced the economy was overheating and facing inflation, in part because of the administration’s policies, forcing the entity to raise rates.

President Lyndon B. Johnson was enraged by this decision, worried that a rising-rate climate would harm his economic agenda.

According to the 2004 book “Chairman of the Fed” and a Richmond Fed paper, the president called Martin, expressing his outrage.

“You took advantage of me and I just want you to know that’s a despicable thing to do,” Johnson said.

Martin responded: “I’ve never implied that I’m right and you’re wrong. But I do have a very strong conviction that the Federal Reserve Act placed the responsibility for interest rates with the Federal Reserve Board.

“This is one of those few occasions where the Federal Reserve Board decision has to be final.”

The administration relented and determined that it lacked the authority to fire Martin. That said, his rate hikes failed to stop the inflation bomb that went off in the following years.

Unlike Johnson, Trump successfully convinced Powell to lower interest rates, following through with three 25-basis-point rate cuts in 2019.

Looking ahead to January 2025, the Fed will have “no choice but to dance to Trump’s tune, whether it likes it or not,” Ipek Ozkardeskaya, a senior analyst at Swissquote Bank, said in a note.

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Andrew Moran has been writing about business, economics, and finance for more than a decade. He is the author of "The War on Cash."